In the summer of 2000, Hollie told her mother, Anne, that she had been repeatedly sexually abused by her father, Denis Charles Mackie and brother Greg. The abuse had begun when Hollie was just six years` old. Hollie said that Greg had also been abused by his father.
Anne Greig reported this immediately to the local police station in Aberdeen. During the course of that summer, Hollie, who has Down`s Syndrome, began to provide more names of abusers. It transpired that Denis Mackie had been sharing his daughter with a ring of sexual abusers, which included a serving police officer with the Grampian force, Terry Major and an Aberdeen sheriff, Graeme Buchanan.
Medical and other evidence supported Hollie`s account and Grampian Police accepted the truth of Hollie`s statement. Nonetheless, no action was taken by Grampian Police against the perpetrators and despite Anne Greig`s persistence, the Procurator Fiscal, now Lord Advocate, Elish Angiolini prevented any police action taking place.
In fact, the authorities instead attempted to discredit and intimidate Anne by having her forcibly taken to a mental institution, with the intention of handing Hollie back to her abuser father. Fortunately, Anne Greig had the presence of mind to have herself checked by a leading psychiatrist, who proclaimed her perfectly sane, a view with which even the institution were forced to concur.
In the years that have followed, Anne Greig has persisted in her attempts to bring the abusers to justice, not only for the sake of her own children, but also to prevent these dreadful practices continuing against others, which includes adults with learning difficulties as well as children.
It was only in 2009, when the News Of The World courageously broke the story, concentrating on the hitherto unheard of fact that Hollie had received payments from the Criminal Injuries Compensation Authority for crimes that have not even been investigated.
The measures to cover up this terrible story continue unbounded by the authorities.
Several years ago, Denis and Greg Mackie went to live in Portugal. On 8th May 2007, immediately following Madeleine McCann`s disappearance, Anne Greig, accompanied by a victim`s support witness, went to her now local police station in Shrewsbury to tell them to alert the Portuguese Police, as despite the proven case of paedophile abuse, neither of the Mackies had a record of any kind. The McCann team has accepted that the Mackies ought to have been questioned immediately. It is now understood that the British Police failed to pass on these details to their Portuguese counterparts.
Hence, the official cover up has even extended to detracting from the Madeleine McCann investigation.
Investigators have already informed us that discoveries of other paedophile rings in Scotland has been discovered, but it is clear that certain senior figures of authority are prepared to obstruct the course of justice and allow the known sexual abuse of some of society`s most vulnerable people to continue unabated, just to save their own skins.
The Hollie Greig story is now widely known by the media, police, legal, medical and political professions.
The facts are beyond dispute.
The only question that remains will be as to who has sufficient decency and courage to bring this and other issues to a just conclusion.
Robert Green
InvestigatorAnd in todays press –
Grampian Police have reinterviewed a disabled woman who claims she was abused as a child by an Aberdeen paedo-phile ring which included a senior police officer and a leading Scottish sheriff.
Hollie Greig, 29, who has Down’s Syndrome, claims she was abused for 14 years from the age of six, and has given police the names of some of the men she says assaulted her.
Hollie and her mother, Anne, have been campaigning since 2000 when police were first informed of the alleged abuse, for criminal proceedings to be taken against those she says were involved.
The abuse is alleged to have taken place in Aberdeen, and Hollie and her mother claim to have made a statement at Bucksburn police station in July 2000 naming a senior police officer, who has since died, and a sheriff who still serves.
The Press and Journal knows the identities of both men but has decided not to make them public at this stage.
No charges have ever been brought, although Hollie received £13,500 compensation from the Criminal Injuries Compensation Authority in April this year.
It is understood that followed evidence from a Grampian detective inspector who described Hollie as “a truthful witness to the best of her ability and an entirely innocent victim”.
Last night, Mrs Greig, 58, said her daughter has had nightmares and suffered panic attacks since she first told her mother about the alleged abuse nine years ago.
“We’ve been battling this for a long time now and we are angry with the way things were handled right from the start,” she said.
“We were practically forced out of our home in Aberdeen and fled to Shropshire when this whole thing came to light. During these past nine years myself and Hollie have been called liars and had to put up with constant insults but we will continue to fight despite the endless brick walls we hit.”
Mrs Greig said she ordered two psychological reports on Hollie to dismiss claims she had invented the allegations.
“Hollie was asked to draw pictures and describe sexual acts to see if there was any signs she might be lying.
“Both reports, carried out by two separate doctors, came back saying that 100% she was telling the truth and had been sexually abused.”
Mrs Greig said Hollie’s campaign would continue until justice has been done. “All Hollie wants is justice. She says this has ruined her childhood. She doesn’t trust anyone and I’m the only person she can be around for any length of time.”
Mrs Greig said two officers from Grampian Police visited Hollie in September and spent three-and-a-half hours interviewing her at a special facility in Shrewsbury.
Hollie and her mother, who moved to Shropshire to escape the alleged abuse, have enlisted a group of high-profile supporters, including, it is understood, singer Annie Lennox, to support their demand for a prosecution.
Mrs Greig claims that two of the alleged abusers moved to Portugal a number of years ago and that she went to her local police station in Shrewsbury to pass on that information when news broke of the kidnapping of Madeleine McCann.
Madeleine, who was three at the time, was kidnapped from her family’s holiday apartment at Praia da Luz, in the Algarve, in 2006. Police believe she was taken by a paedophile.
One of Hollie’s supporters wrote to the Crown Office in Edinburgh earlier this year querying the decision not to prosecute and received a reply from Andrew McIntyre, Head of Victims and Diversity, setting out the criteria for determining whether to bring charges.
His reply suggested that, in Hollie’s case, the decision was based on the lack of independent corroboration. Mr McIntyre gave an assurance that police were continuing to investigate “aspects of the case” and said that the ongoing inquiries prevented him from commenting further.
Grampian Police last night confirmed the force was investigating an allegation of historic sex abuse.
A Crown Office spokes-woman said late last night: “We have not received any report from the police.
“If we do receive a report it will be carefully considered in due course.”
Read more: http://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/Article.aspx/1488131?UserKey=#ixzz0XCkJncQs
The shocking story of Holly Grieg
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Ex-friend of Gerald's
18/11/2009 at 2:46 pm
It is about time all was revealed. Bit by bit. I have a heavy heart. Maybe this burden will soon be lifted from my shoulders. I hope all the truth comes out. Sheriffs have a lot to answer for in my opinion. This may well link in with Jersey. Terrible case.
Bup
04/10/2011 at 6:54 pm
This has happened to me. I was sexually abused by a respectable doctor for 5 years as a teenager. I was told I had something wrong with me.
To cut a long story short I have had 22 years of medical negligence and slander as they tried to destroy me and my credibility.
I am about to take my complaint to the GMC. I have no support with this from anyone. I do not know if I will get justice. My mother was involved and has protected this doctor.
colin ewens
06/03/2012 at 8:32 pm
Glad I’m not the only one thinking of the Jersey abuse scandal. I thought at the time the case was covered up … maybe when Hollie finally gets justice we will learn more about the truth from Jersey?
IRONSIDE
20/11/2009 at 8:22 pm
If this links in with Jersey there will be no Justice. The cover up of abuse in Jersey stinks , too many top knobs involved.
Pete
12/02/2010 at 4:33 pm
I would not be surprised if this had some link to the Dunblane killings.There was some very dubious stuff related to the investigation of Thomas Hamilton and who he was connected to,and how he was allowed to possess a firearms licence.I would also not be surprised if it was somehow connected to Jersey and to the alleged abuses performed at the Kincora boy’s home in Northen Ireland AND the Dutroux affair in Belgium.For further information please check these two websites:Institute for the study of Globalization and Covert Politics/beyond dutroux.
and:Belgian Illuminati blogspot.
hardlinemarxist
12/02/2010 at 5:29 pm
Many thanks for your comment, i have frequently visited the websites you have mentioned (and directed many others to them too).
Pete
12/02/2010 at 4:37 pm
I would just like to add that it is time that people should start joining up the dots about what is going on in our society.
hardlinemarxist
12/02/2010 at 5:29 pm
You might find this of interest
http://mccannexposure.wordpress.com/2010/02/05/blair-covering-up-paedophile-scandal/
anon
16/02/2010 at 12:59 am
Dont forget the sickening abuse that happened in a Gravesend Kent children home,
children were also sent by Kent County Council to Jersey.
The home is now closed, the government refuses to look into historic cases.
Girls were drugged and pinned down and raped, some ended up having disabled babies.
http://www.no2abuse.com
Pete
24/02/2010 at 2:12 pm
There seems to be an update concerning the Hollie Greig case,on David Ickes website.It seems like it is a very important piece of information,but every time I try to scroll down the story,lo and behold,the page is blocked and then it disappears completely.Is there anywhere else on the internet where I might find this article before MI5 deletes it?
hardlinemarxist
24/02/2010 at 6:30 pm
Hi Pete i’ve been icke’s site and there doesn’t appear to be any problems accessing material. You could try here http://scottishlaw.blogspot.com/2010/02/justice-secretary-linked-to-lord.html for an update. Or you could try this link to Icke’s website, it should take you directly to the latest on Robert Green http://www.davidicke.com/articles/child-abuse-mainmenu-74/30693-scottish-paedophile-ring-exposed
Pete
26/02/2010 at 7:29 pm
It seems that the problem has now been rectified.I am in the Bibliotek in Amsterdam which has a hundereds of free internet connections.For two days,every time I tried to connect to the Hollie Greig update on David Ickes website ,it was routinely blocked.
lisa priest
23/03/2010 at 8:28 pm
its not just Aberdeen its everywhere in Britain,this is so sad and very scary,Anne and holly are so brave and what a fantastic mother to fight against these evil b*****s.she needs all the help and support from the public right behind her.THIS HAS TO STOP………from Lisa Priest
Lynda
02/04/2010 at 11:35 am
I work with children with Down Syndrome and it is tragic that there are people in society who see them as easy prey. May Anne Greig and Holly get some satisfactory answers and action on their case. Shame on these men in positions of power that so blatantly abuse their positions as well as defenceless members of society – the people they are supposed to protect.
Hopefully they will be held accountable by law in the very near future and made to pay for their atrocities – if they still manage to use threats etc to avoid facing the justice system, I have the consolation of knowing that their day of reckoning will come…..
Dave
20/04/2010 at 1:43 pm
Never forget that two Labour MPs are on the Operation Ore list.That is their credit card details were found on a US cp website. The UKs libel laws prevent them being named but before the story ended up on the spike the Sunday Herald in Scotland published some very useful information. One MP was a former minister and the other was a current minister.This story is from 2003.So this sort of thing starts at the very top and all those currently in government know who the two suspects are because the Establishment is rotten to the core.The British people are mugs to vote for them.
angela cowan
20/05/2010 at 9:46 am
JUST BEEN MADE AWARE OF THE HOLLY GREIG STORY, I AM OFFERING MY SUPPORT IN ANYWAY I CAN.
Anonymous
29/05/2012 at 11:34 am
i only found out about wot those sick people done to holly as its spray painted in cornwall!!!!!!!!!! my heart goes out to everyone who’s suffered in hands to these sicko’s…..
Lee
31/07/2010 at 12:34 pm
I am so so so terrible sorry for this heinious crime against humanity especially against a mentally challenged person that ahs feelings just like anyone else. I am disgusted which word does not even seem fitting that these people seem to be untouchable. My heart truly goes out to Hollie and the rest of her immediate family. I send my extreme love to them. I hope they finally do something about this and also put the people in jail who chose to stand aside and protcet their own. What use is the law if it is not abided by?.
Passing
20/12/2010 at 6:42 pm
When i went to school justice was taught and yet thats not what we are seeing on the ground when our judges are nothing but prostitues and our police are worse then Hittlers SS guard.
I have trouble getting people to belive some of the news, as not reported by the BBC is happening as we speak.
Wikileaks with luck will wake people up so we can start to take our freedom back and to sort out the in-justice system.
Ang
24/01/2011 at 10:28 am
I fully believe hollie. I do not know her but my case was also not investigated by Aberdeen police. The masonic abusers will never be dealt with. I applied for criminal injuries compensation and never got it due to no evidence or charges. My father was my abuser & his sick paedo mates of the masonic lodge. 13 years of abuse I suffered. And got no justice! I was left feeling like I was stupid and going mad! So thanks to all you corrupted bastards out there! I hope you all rot in hell
Bup
04/10/2011 at 7:00 pm
((((Ang))))) I have been abused by a GP for 5 years and it has been covered up. Ang we must be strong, so much stronger than this contempible filth
anonymous
07/01/2012 at 7:07 pm
You have the courage to come forth and you lived to tell. You have let a number of people here know, who really are on your side. Your complaint was not fully investigated because this is often the route police go – no matter where. They do not fully investigate or they shut the door in your face. Reports are not taken or followed up. I believe the “orders” from the top work their way down to the level of the people who are supposed to help you but they don’t, do they? They are never around when you call, they put you on hold, they “can’t find” their papers…..no one wants to be jobless and screwed out of benefits by their peers. I am sorry you had to suffer so much, but you apparently had no “value” and were depersonalized by this bunch, not to mention your father. I imagine you tried to find people to help you – relatives perhaps. People were too busy, too afraid or threatened. There are caring people outside of the brutality of your experience, and I hope you can find them and live the rest of your life knowing that karma will find them, and according to the universe’s laws, everyone involved, whether they remain nameless, faceless….will pay their karmic debt. May you be blessed and protected by good forces from now on.
sandy
07/02/2011 at 10:55 am
Whatever the police say publicly, you cannot complain about them as the complaints are looked into by the police themselves. They are corrupt. Best wishes to Hollie and her mum, together they are strong and may they always remain that way.
mary K. Armstrong
04/03/2011 at 5:06 pm
I’m shocked, as I’m sure most readers of Hollie’s story are. Yet, I believe police are sometimes involved in sexual cults and with rings of pedophiles.
My heart goes out to Anne and her determination to stand up for her daughter! Would that all mothers of victims could be so strong.
Mary K. Armstrong
clarewibble
13/04/2011 at 4:31 pm
I am appalled by this story. I hope Hollie has found some peace from this horror. Keep strong and safe.
Janette Swainston
02/07/2011 at 6:14 pm
This an appauling story and the authority and police should be ashamed of themselves there meant to be protecting people another let down for a young woman and her family shame on professionals wonder if they are masons and covering each others backs ??????
Najith
03/07/2011 at 4:22 am
My mind has been bludgeoned to a grievous pulp, reading this story. We don’t live in society. Society lives in us. WE … make our community what it is. WE … allow criminals to get away with these horrendous crimes … yet WE could never, ever imagine what we’re unwittingly hiding (or understand those whom we live among), until the truth begins to emerge, as Hollie’s case has.
This “father” and his cronies needs to be brought to justice and follow the final route in society that Vanessa George took. Failing that action, we submit to living with a crooked gene in what we trust is a decent society. In so allowing this type of atrocity to continue, and therefore allow these perpetrators a “covered” haven around us, we turn a willing blind eye to the cancerous tentacles that suck in the young … and the vulnerable.
Every single one of us that ma be sickened by the fabric around this story, let alone the very threads that weave such a despicable pattern, MUST write to the authorities – including Downing Street, The Law Society, British Medical Board, the Hague, the UN … UNICEF, and to every newspaper and broadcaster in Europe. We MUST flood them *all* with letters of acknowledgement of what we know has gone on … and we must demand results – not just action. We must demand RESULTS. We MUST DO everything in our power to let the big-boys know that society is serious … and we may start by boycotting elections and write such actions ALL over the ballot papers – spoil those papers and *their* dreams … until sufferers like Hollie … are assisted, understood, vindicated and freed from these atrocities. .
We are society. We’re Hollie’s society and voice … we must think, act and respond in ways that produces clean air for society to breathe in – because things like this simply … stink.
HLM, I cannot begin to describe the immense feeling of utter horror and sadness I felt reading abut this case – which if the poster before me had not replied to – I may ne’er have known existed.
For Christ’s sakes … what … in God’s name … are we, the community, permitting?
Anonymous
26/07/2011 at 7:17 pm
Don’t forget that Labour Deputy Leader, Harriet Harman was, before becoming an MP, a legal officer for the National Council For Civil Liberties (NCCL). She oversaw the affilliation to her organisation of two organised paedophile groups, as well as campaigned to get sex with minors and incest decriminalised. Then there is Gordon Brown, whose name was appearing in the Met’s Operation Ore. At the point where he, and certain other high-ranking Labour politicians appeared, Blair suppressed the report with his D-Notice. This has been stated by former investigative officers of the Metropolitan Police that have been left highly disgruntled at Tony Blair’s political interference.
Anonymous
20/11/2011 at 6:36 am
I was sexually abused from approx 6 mths of age, it continued periodically till he died, there were others as I was growing up, it seemed as if there was a sign on my back, abuse me please. I believe they should not be allowed to set foot in our society out of prison till they take there last breathe. My son was also targeted, can’t tell you how I despise those who cover up for paedophila, when you hear of foster children being used who are terrified to speak out because they know they will be targeted by the paedo friends who seek to cover up denegrate or even worse murder the witness to prevent them speaking out. We honestly don’t know the half of it. The scum who seek to protect these types should go to prison with them. Money buys silence along with fear.
STEF WATTERS
07/12/2011 at 4:22 am
I think this is a heart rending and totally sickening sequence of events. ,=( I can’t help but think back to the Greville Janner case back in the early 90′s. I want to weep for those poor children and for Hollie and her mother who have had their lives destroyed by evil and mentally degraded people in the establishment. May these” people” be exposed for what they are by the light of god and truth,and end up where they deserve-PRISON and HELL. closure and justice for the victims and families!
STEF WATTERS
07/12/2011 at 4:59 am
I also have no doubt that there are members of the judiciary, that shield members of these peadophile rings, due to the fact these judges etc are involved themselves by either keeping silent or being directly involved. It is long overdue that people within the government and police should step up to the plate and name names,so that this abhorrent and reprehensible practice of organised and planned abuse of the vulnerable members of society can be nipped in the bud sooner rather than later. innoccents should be protected from these debauched and depraved individuals that are in positions of power. power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
scally
25/12/2011 at 7:49 pm
In British Law, all parties are innocent until proven guilty. I’m keeping an open mind on the whole case. It is so easy to jump to the conclusion that the accuser is always right, but the absence of a Court case means that the accused have also been denied their rights to a fair trial, and I for one have no reason to believe that the absence of a trial is for any other reason than the lack of any kind of hard evidence: it is one woman’s word against the rest. The prosecution case doesn’t stand a cat in hells chance of persuading a jury, and the conspiracy theories are patent nonsense dreamed up by obsessives.
Anonymous
30/12/2011 at 6:40 pm
Get a grip scally, open your eyes instead of living in a little bubble. Ever read ‘Flat Earth News’ by Nick Davies, an award winning journalist? Obviously not.
Examine the evidence, like you patently haven’t, and take your disinformation elsewhere.
I agree that the prosecution would have a tough time convincing a jury…. Mainly because ignorant people like yourself would realise that for the accused to be found guilty would mean that the ‘conspiracy theorists’ were right after all. It isn’t ”one woman’s word”, as you put it.
Over half a million pounds of public money has been used (so far) to silence the media.
scally
05/01/2012 at 8:27 pm
What a load of buzzcocks, Anon. I for one would prefer to be tried by a jury of my peers than on a tacky little conspiracy theory website like this one. There isnt any evidence, well not unless it has been presented forensically and meets certain standards, just a load of small town tittle tattle, supposition, and heresay. On such evidence, we could bring back witch-trials to the North East and drown all suspects!
Hardlinemarxist
05/01/2012 at 9:46 pm
Ahem…
anonymous
07/01/2012 at 6:56 pm
I will have to read about this awful case and try to reason about the word “power”. I have found as I’m sure many of you, that the helpless and the weak are good targets for evil acts. Whether it is being “outnumbered” in a roomful of crooked politicians and shouted down in a “debate” even though you may have EVIDENCE of wrongdoing….you know at that moment you are going to lose. But remember – being overly confident doesn’t work for those that don’t fly straight…..and inevitably they will be double crossed by someone eventually. Perhaps a person recognized as “one to be feared” will one day be hit by conscience from out of nowhere and come forth so that sleepless nights will cease. Karmic is also an absolute. The universe has laws of it’s own, and justice may not be seen by you, me, or a horribly wronged destroyed life. But there will be justice. I am here to read your updates, opinions and so on about lovely Meredith Kercher and poor little Maddie, whose Mum it seems was ready to give her away, put her up for adoption. Thank you for letting me be here and I so much want to see truth, not half truths…..or fairy tales.
scally
07/01/2012 at 8:00 pm
We all want to find out the truth. But right now we have nothing but supposition. And anyone who questions the “received wisdom” of this tacky little website is accused of being ignorant? We are all ignorant, because all we have so far is heresay, not a single, proven, hard fact. So we need to be far more circumspect and modest, and avoid damning anyone or making any assumptions. I can think of many reasons why Holly might have made those statements, and only one of them leads in this direction, the others lead in, well, other directions. And by the way, you dont have to look far to find people capable of gross deception or the manipulation of vulnerable witnesses in almost any walk of life, sadly. So why not keep an open mind?
Hardlinemarxist
08/01/2012 at 10:39 am
Is it true? Is ignorance bliss?
THE DWARF
10/01/2012 at 7:45 pm
THESE ARE THE SIMPLE FACTS OF THE HOLLIE GREIG CASE:
WHEN DOWNS SYNDROME GIRL HOLLIE GREIG ALLEGED THAT SHE HAD BEEN ABUSED BY A PAEDOPHILE GANG IN ABERDEEN, GRAMPIAN POLICE DID NOT CONDUCT ANY INVESTIGATION WORTHY OF THE NAME.
INSTEAD THEY INITIATED THE SECTIONING OF HER MOTHER ANNE, WHO HAS NEVER HAD ANY HISTORY OF MENTAL HEALTH PROBLEMS.
HOLLIE CLAIMED COMPENSATION FROM THE CRIMINAL INJURIES COMPENSATION AUTHORITY WHO OBTAINED EVIDENCE FROM 2 SEPARATE PSYCHOLOGISTS.
HOLLIE WAS AWARDED £13,500 FROM THE CRIMINAL INJURIES COMPENSATION AUTHORITY IN SPITE OF THE FACT THAT NO-ONE HAS EVER BEEN CHARGED WITH ANY CRIME.
ROY GRIEG DIED EITHER BY AN UNHEARD OFF IN THE UK CATALYST FIRE IN A RAINY FIELD OR COMMITTED SUICIDE IN THE MOST HORRIBLE FASHION BY SETTING FIRE TO HIMSELF AGAIN UNHEARD OF IN THE UK OR HE WAS MURDERED
,SO 2 IMPROBABLES AGAINST A LIKELY
scally sure is a wag.They may want to look up what a conspiracy is
Rob Kay
11/01/2012 at 1:07 am
Unlike you, I have a teenage son with Downs Syndrome, so I am coming at this with some degree of personal experience. And also some humility, I dont know what really happened here behind closed doors, but to be fair, none of us do either. Now, sure, I Iove him to bits, but sadly, I am also very aware that his memory is suggestible, that he loves fantasy, and that he wishes to please me and is capable of confusing reality with fiction. So if I were required to testify, I would have to admit that a parent of a young adult with DS, who had a very specific agenda could probably manipulate that person to tell a fabricated version of events. In other words, they might not be a totally reliable witness. Now, I dont like to say this, because I hate to think that my child might not be believed if he were abused, but I also have to be brutally honest and say that some people with DS, and any other people too, to be fair, can potentially be manipulated to say that their Mum or Dad – or some other controlling person – wants them to say. I sense a lot of anger here. And I dont trust anyone absolutely. If I were on the jury, on the basis of this evidence, I would be inclined towards the classic Scottish verdict of “unproven”.
Hardlinemarxist
11/01/2012 at 7:49 am
Two very pertinent statements
THE DWARF
11/01/2012 at 7:00 pm
rob one tiny problem Hollie had a host of STDs Grampian police said she was most probably abused and she was awarded £13000 from the criminal injuries board.
Added to that Hollie was interviewed by a child specialist and said she was a credible witness, add to this her fathers act of hearing that his daughter had been raped did what any father would do and moved to Portugal, add to the mix Roy Griegs unusual demise , an FOI by salmon ignored and some strange raids on houses on a breach of the peace yet no one reasonably interviewed about the alleged abuse and I think we can change not proven to not investigated
Hardlinemarxist
11/01/2012 at 8:32 pm
You may find my article on Hollie’s medical history of some interest – http://mccannexposure.wordpress.com/2010/06/24/the-issue-of-medical-evidence-in-the-case-of-holly-greig/
This one maybe of interest to you too – http://mccannexposure.wordpress.com/2010/06/11/anna-raccoon-is-a-troubled-and-troubling-individual/
Rob Kay
11/01/2012 at 11:02 pm
I’d like to see it investigated further too, and I wrote to my own (former) MSP, who is a brave and fearless lady who has a wonderful track record of defending human rights, to ask what could be done. Now, I dont think she would put up with any kind of intimidation or threat, and yet she assured me that eveything that could be done, had been done. From this I take it that there is information in the private domain that cannot be revealed for legal reasons. This happens all the time, the law is far from perfect. Well, nobody died, sometimes bad things happen, sometimes we all have to just move on. I’m making no accusations, I’m open minded to any future developments, but I also accept that most conspiracy theories are exactly that, theories. No skin off my nose, or indeed yours, so lets all move on and try very hard to avoid abusing our own freedom to make these kinf ofg incredibly damaging allegations against people without proper evidence – the Internet is no subsitute for a Court of Law, and should never, ever be used as a kangaroo court.
Hardlinemarxist
12/01/2012 at 12:02 am
I wonder if you would have called the Wonderland club a conspiracy theory had the truth not emerged. Of course, Wonderland Club members were not back slapping, hand shaking, affluent and influential figures. On the contrary, they were bog standard common paedophiles….but make no mistake, back slapping and hand shaking occurred when images of child on child, adult on child and beast on child rape and abuse images were shared. Conspiracy theories appear to be labelled as such only when the suspected consist of back slapping, hand shaking, affluent and influential figures.
THE DWARF
14/01/2012 at 3:58 pm
Exactly HLM ,
THE DWARF
14/01/2012 at 4:03 pm
Rob when you accuse a sherrif and a senior police man ,and its NOT investigated then you find that the State of Scotland are arresting you for breach of the peace it is safe to say that it is most likely a conspiracy.
The ONLY this case will get to court in Scotland is by civil means and they dont have the money .ITS AN ESTABLISHMENT COVER UP. The people named ,none of whom have taken ANY action or spoken out at all in their defense are being protected by the state , the accusers and their lay legal representative are being hounded ,
DO YOU GET IT?
Rob Kay
14/01/2012 at 6:54 pm
Find me any adult with Downs Syndrome who can accurately recall the age at which any event took place as long ago as age 6, and I might agree with you: but I doubt you ever will because that is beyond their ability to recall: people with DS dont on the whole, have the numeracy skills to recall dates with any degree of accuracy. On the balance of probablity it is far more likely to be a total fabrication by a single, very bitter, vindictive and manipulative woman. “Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned”. My guess is that the case was thoroughyl looked at, the mum got abusive, and she was told to stop wasting police time and threatening people with her ludicrous accusations.
Lots of kids and adults get abused every day, in every community, but this case is old and cold, the “establishment figures” named within are very small fry by any standards, there isnt a scrap of hard evidence, and I cant understand why it is even vaguely interesting.
Hardlinemarxist
15/01/2012 at 6:24 am
I am intrigued as to how you arrived at the above statement. Specifically, I would like to see the data and examine your analysis? Perhaps you would be so kind as to email – hardlinemarxist@hotmail.co.uk
THE DWARF
15/01/2012 at 6:08 pm
Lots of kids and adults get abused every day, in every community, but this case is old and cold, the “establishment figures” named within are very small fry by any standards, there isnt a scrap of hard evidence, and I cant understand why it is even vaguely interesting.
TAXI FOR KAY!
And yet the trial goes on with Angolini being called by the defense.
Does she have to give a date ,I dont remember what I was doing last month
.Last year I broke my toe, cant even remember the month
Hollie was a abused by , she was paid criminal compensation, her father fled to Portugal, her uncle died under strange circumstances, her mother was sectioned ,Salmon was told and refuses and foi about it, Angolini used public funds to get Levy Macrae to pursue Robert Green , she then tried to silence the Fire and the Drum for publishing this , Robert Green faces jail tomorrow for revealing this, I have tried to be polite but to be frank I can only guess as to your motivation on this
Rob Kay
15/01/2012 at 7:16 pm
If it looks like a witchunt, and smells like a witchunt, then on the reasonable balance of probability, it probably is a witchunt. Sometimes the fun and games of being able to accuse respectable people of anything one wishes to under the banner of anonymity without any fear of consequences looks like a rather childish game to me.
She may have been abused, she may not. My guess is that she probably was – though I suspect much of the rest is largely fiction. But I pay taxes to prosecutors and police to investigate crime, and by and large I think the days of the amateur sleuth are numbered. The main danger of amateur sleuthing, like amateur journalism, is that it fails to apply well-respected and tried standards of proof, as it the case here. Have fun, do remeber there are legal consequances to both defamation and lynch mobs, and byeee!
Hardlinemarxist
15/01/2012 at 9:56 pm
Kekekeke….
urban hippy
21/03/2012 at 1:11 pm
lets bring these bastards down and the whole corrupt regime with them, its on . and im ready
THE DWARF
15/01/2012 at 7:25 pm
But I pay taxes to prosecutors and police to investigate crime
Thats the point they didnt INVESTIGATE!
They managed to ransack Anne Greigs house travel from Aberdeen 600 miles to Robert Greens house to take away his computer for handing out leaflets. The majority of those named are ordinary punters ,who if you look here did know each other.Yet they and the Sheriff said nothing didnt sue Green but let the PF lead the charge with Angolinnis backing.
Know one knows what happened , thats the point ,but it looks like a cover up for a good reason,it is.
Rob Kay
15/01/2012 at 7:40 pm
No it isnt. I think you are in danger of assuming that our beloved McPlod are capable of far more devious intelligence and pre-meditation than anyone who has ever enjoyed a five minute social encounter with any member of the Scottish Constabulary – especially the Northern branches – would ever give them credit for – let us please not forget the Orkney Ritual Abuse fiasco !
THE DWARF
15/01/2012 at 7:46 pm
No it isnt. I think you are in danger of assuming that our beloved McPlod are capable of far more devious intelligence and pre-meditation than anyone who has ever enjoyed a five minute social encounter with any member of the Scottish Constabulary – especially the Northern branches – would ever give them credit for – let us please not forget the Orkney Ritual Abuse fiasco !
REALLY ,WHAT IN GODS NAME ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY?
the SHerrif has said nothing and is relying on his good friend Angollini , who he WORKED with to persuse Robert Green in an UNHEARD of case under breach of the peace. THose others named have said NOTHING , done NOTHING . NO ONE was interviewed, Hollie has been subject to longer interigations than those accused of raping her, its not hard
THE DWARF
16/01/2012 at 6:46 pm
THE DWARF
16/01/2012 at 9:30 pm
“Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.” – Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.
mellie
22/02/2012 at 10:04 am
hi i believe this is shocking and horrific and i applaud robert green for his fight for this poor woman and her daughter i believe that justice has failed here and it makes me feel sick that the trauma they have suffered has been allowed to carry on this country is meant to have a great thirst for law and justice i fully support robert and the family to get these perpetrators jailed
joanna
22/03/2012 at 2:00 pm
it is a very credible story, even if Rob tried to make liars the victims. DS children have a very good affective and emotional memory, and it is no doubt that Hollie was right. the lapse in time could be discovered by psychologist. her father abused her and offered her to others because NOBODY could believe a SD person telling the true. such mental disabled people are more exposed to any abuse…another clue that she was right is her uncle murdered and her advisor arrested..NO DOUBTS is not a simple conspiracy theory but a real one.
Rob Kay
24/03/2012 at 12:27 am
I’m not trying to “make liars” of anyone, and once again I would like to point out the serious lack of respect shown by Joanna to other peoples sincerely held but differing views. There are shades of truth, and confessions and memories of children are very complex things. Where manipulative adults are involved, we dont really know who is speaking or the extent to which vulnerable child witnesses are merely repeating things they have been told to say in order to gratify the adults who are controlling them. In this case my views is that there is more heat than light being shed on this sad case, and the chance of a successful prosecution is virtually nil. I’m entitled to my view that the case as presented probably doesnt stand up, and it is apparently shared by “the powers that be” so it is really up to the consipracy theorists to come up with something a great deal more credible in terms of hard evidence.
Hardlinemarxist
24/03/2012 at 1:36 am
You may find the following articles of interest, Rob. http://mccannexposure.wordpress.com/2010/06/24/the-issue-of-medical-evidence-in-the-case-of-holly-greig/ and http://mccannexposure.wordpress.com/2010/06/11/anna-raccoon-is-a-troubled-and-troubling-individual/
Rob Kay
25/03/2012 at 12:09 am
Yes Hardlinemarxist, I have looked at this, and my own view is that we can sing, and we can whistle, but we are not a judge, and we aren’t a jury, and there are many other, far more important contemporary and pressing cases to consider. Noting we do can bring back Holly’s innocence, and in fact there is a good chance that anything we do will simply bring back some bad memories and make her life more miserable. For what, exactly? How wil she benefit from this vendetta? What are you going to do for Holly … how will you, personally, help her to recover from her traumas? Because if you cant answer that question, then I am afraid you have failed the key question, which isnt about “justice” at all, it is about caring.
Hardlinemarxist
25/03/2012 at 12:50 am
You have a very narrow focus, Rob. To sacrifice one, is to save many..pah
Rob Kay
25/03/2012 at 7:56 pm
You ducked the question, and I am sensing that maybe this isnt about Holly at all. Maybe it is about some other agenda. If so, lets be honest and front it up, please?
Hardlinemarxist
25/03/2012 at 9:39 pm
“how will you, personally, help her to recover from her traumas?”
It is not for me to aid Hollie in overcoming “her traumas”. It is for me, as it is for any concerned citizen, to hold an interest in pursuing injustice. This issue becomes more pressing when it may involve exploitation of our most vulnerable.
Rob Kay
01/04/2012 at 11:33 pm
I think we all agree with the justice concept, but the devil is in the detail. Why not pick up on some random cyclist who gets hit by an equally random drunk driver? Or a shipyard on the Clyde that has been disposing of toxic waste in landfill thereby poisoning young lives?
Injustice happens all the time, people get off with silly sentences after bludgeoning pensioners to death, mothers smother their children and get suspended sentences, whilst people who are drunk and mouthy on Twitter get sent down for sharing racist comments to a dozen of their mates.
Why Holly? As witnesses go, she looks pretty flaky to me.
Hardlinemarxist
02/04/2012 at 10:00 am
And why not Holly? You appear to have an issue with case, overly sensitive. Why is that?
Rob Kay
17/04/2012 at 9:06 pm
Because there is something odd about the campaign, something that just doesn’t add up. What is the real motivation of the campaigner/s? What personal connection do they have to the case? There are lots of other far more important and interesting things to get worked up about, like the reform of the social security system, global warming or the world baking system, so why Holly? Sadly whatever you do, you cant give her back the thing she deserves most, her innocence, family, privacy and dignity.
Hardlinemarxist
17/04/2012 at 10:21 pm
“…there is something odd about the campaign, something that just doesn’t add up”
You’re not wrong there. You failed to answer my question, why not Holly? Is she not deserving?
Rob Kay
19/04/2012 at 9:44 am
There is no way that standing in court and being cross examined in a hostile way, by the advocates of people who may have a great deal to lose if her unsupported testimony is ever to be believed, is going to do her any favours.Personally I think it would be most likely be crushing for her, devastating. And almost certain not to stand up in any case, so therefore merely rubbing salt into the wound and leaving what is already a bad situation, even worse.
Hardlinemarxist
19/04/2012 at 10:29 am
Your understanding of judicial process is clearly limited, I suggest you go away and read up on the matter before submitting further comment.
Rob Kay
20/04/2012 at 12:46 am
So, if you are the expert, please tell me of one case where a single witness, with a serious learning disability, twenty or more years on, with no other evidence than her own childhood memory, has secured a single conviction? That’ll be none then… not a helpful start to this case, you might agree.
Hardlinemarxist
20/04/2012 at 7:14 am
As I suggested, go away and read up on the matter and perhaps in the process you will learn of the consequences of peddling stereotypes!
Anonymous
20/04/2012 at 6:58 am
@rob kay,do you not think that the people that molested holly should be exposed or would you
prefer to sweep it under the carpet.if it is the the latter then i think there is some seriously missing from your make up.
the dwarf
29/04/2012 at 4:17 pm
well said
trisha
01/05/2012 at 3:23 pm
I am shocked and disgusted at what I have just read. The so called police and sheriff who are supposed to be respectable members of our community and they are abusing children. It makes you think twice about going to them for help. They should name and shame the ones responsible for this horrific crime, they have named and shamed people before, so why not do it to them or is it one rule for them and another for others.
Brenda
10/05/2012 at 5:05 pm
It is sickening how dirty dogs abuse innocent children. I wish I could be present when their time comes for punishment. Kids are innocent. It is this evil world that distorts their minds and destroys them for life. How in the freakin heck does a person touch a child!
Anonymous
13/05/2012 at 6:36 pm
http://www.OpLithChild.org – it is everywhere, child abuse… and a lot of cover up, sadly…