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Saga
30/09/2011 at 1:54 pm
Sadie. Yesterday you said that “Professional People” don’t lie. Do you also think that “Professional People” don’t kill?
Also do you think that Freemasons don’t look after each other.
sadie
30/09/2011 at 7:42 pm
“Saga
You are misquoting me Saga. Please show where I said that “Professional people don’t lie”.
They are less likely to lie tho, especially en masse.
Doctors can get struck off so my daughter, a doctor, tells me for lieing. That would especially be the situation in a case such as this
Before you ask, * No she does not know anyone connected with this case.* and is not especially interested in it
Hardlinemarxist
30/09/2011 at 8:03 pm
I would be very interested to learn how you arrived at such a conclusion, Sadie. Please elaborate.
sadie
30/09/2011 at 8:08 pm
@HLM
Explained in the post immediately above yours
Hardlinemarxist
30/09/2011 at 10:02 pm
I see, so your conclusion is not formed via a deliberated weighing up of empirical evidence then?
johntwist
30/09/2011 at 11:19 pm
Hardline,
I’m just laughing at the discussion between you and sadie regarding the logistics of professionals lying. The highest profession is politics who by definiton are professional liars. That is why the two celebrity child-neglectors have the ultimate professional liar Clarence Mitchell as their spokesmen. Unfortunately for the celebrity child-neglectors, a significant minority can see right through the lies told about this case by “professional” journalists in the British Media. They can see right through the lie that Madeleine Beth McCann was “abducted”. The likes of yourself, Tony Bennet and Pat Brown infer rather diplomatically that Madeleine’s disappearance is “a mystery”In fact the real “mystery” is where that hideous pair arranged for their daughter’s body to be dumped or intered.
Hardlinemarxist
01/10/2011 at 1:04 am
Alas, it is not much of discussion. I concur, “[t]he highest profession is politics who by definiton are professional liars”
sadie
01/10/2011 at 6:45 am
Couldn’t agree more about politicians generally – but not all
However, that is NOT a profession, unless several years studying Politics at Uni has taken place. Quite often being a politician doesn’t require anything other than a glib tongue and confidence.
Being a professional requires several years of specialised university education and acceptance by a professional body. A rigorous standard of ethics is demanded.
Hardlinemarxist
01/10/2011 at 4:24 pm
If you say so, Sadie. Like Guerra, I am no longer willing to indulge your ramblings.
Anonymous
14/05/2012 at 10:21 pm
Dr Shipman?
sadie
01/10/2011 at 9:04 am
@ HLM
[quote]I see, so your conclusion is not formed via a deliberated weighing up of empirical evidence then? [?quote]
Are you are joking, or being serious? ;b OK let’s assume you are being serious and not just being vexatious. Look at the situation.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/empirical
em·pir·i·cal (m-pîr-kl)
adj.
1.
a. Relying on or derived from observation or experiment: empirical results that supported the hypothesis.
b. Verifiable or provable by means of observation or experiment: empirical laws.
2. Guided by practical experience and not theory, especially in medicine.
OBSERVATION AND EXPERIENCE
As a woman who has led an extraordinarily varied life in the employment field and also at a personal level, happily mixing on a daily basis with everyone from Labourer to Company Chairman to Lawyer to Doctor to Teacher to the Shop Assistant to Unemployed to Artists etc…………
… and having reached my mid seventies as a keen observer of human behaviour, few have greater “empirical” experience than I.
EXPERIMENTS
Now I haven’t actually done any experiments on proving that Professionals tend to be honest peeps, I haven’t needed them because my “empirical” experiences have almost always been good.
Have you? ;b. Can you suggest how I set one up?
……………………………….
But I do know that professionals HAVE to observe ethical standards, in a way that others don’t, or they risk losing their jobs. Doctors especially.
ETHICS are about being TRUTHFUL and HONOURABLE
So, yes, actually you could say that *** I have weighed up all “Empirical” Evidence to come to my conclusion that Professionals tend to be honest peeps ***
but, tbh I wouldn’t have used such pompous language … but then that’s me
……………………………..
Now lets cut the talk and get on with the task in hand, OK?
Busy atm, so later.
Thank you for reading … and that includes you HLM
Hardlinemarxist
01/10/2011 at 4:19 pm
I am being serious, Sadie. Your understanding of ‘empirical evidence’ is very different to my own, might I suggest you ask your husband to explain its meaning.
No, it is not my area of interest. Yes, I could suggest several ways how you might operationalize a study to examine if a relationship between profession and lying exists, but quite frankly it would be a waste of my time.
Dolynda
06/04/2012 at 2:35 pm
Sadie you sound just like Kate. Last week on Swedish TV. Yes you are a liar. Blood and cadaver just don’t come from nowhere. Why try ban Amarals book if you are so INNOCENT. Why has only 13% of fund money been used to SEARCH for Madeleine. You both didn’t even bother to search for your OWN daughter ( jane Hill interview on you tube ) You staed you were incredibly busy. How vile you are. Can you explain why YOUR OWN FRIENDS the GASPARS said that GERRY AND DAVID PAYNE made sexual gestures towards Madeleine. That is sickening a very bad taste. So not only are you professional people LIARS you are all up to your necks in FILTH. Did you honestly think that was a responsible thing to do ? More or less leaving. 3 TODDLERS on their OWN. At. Least Shannon Matthews is alive. Madeleine is not and you both KNOW that.
Alienus Venator
30/05/2012 at 3:20 pm
“OBSERVATION AND EXPERIENCE
As a woman who has led an extraordinarily varied life in the employment field and also at a personal level, happily mixing on a daily basis with everyone from Labourer to Company Chairman to Lawyer to Doctor to Teacher to the Shop Assistant to Unemployed to Artists etc”………… <<<<Ha ha ha ha, so does a shop keeper.
softlinelibertarian
04/10/2011 at 2:18 pm
I don’t want to upset anyone, and do believe in professional ethics, but sadly I also suspect that there is something of an inverse correlation between high pay and ethics.
Add to that the research which tells us which three careers have the highest % of murderers in them (note I am not accusing anyone, just noting) …namely doctors, nurses and butchers (opportunity).
And we must therefore note that while no doubt the greater % of doctors are fine decent honorable people it just “aint necessarily so” .
anil
07/10/2011 at 12:34 pm
As a retired “professional” having dealt with other professional people, my experience is that they are just as likely to lie. However, a “professional ” when lying can have a devastating and profound effect on the lives around him or her as professionals are supposed to adhere to the ethics and principles of their profession. I speak from experience of having my own life and health screwed up by the lies of other so-called “professionals”. This case is an exceptionally sad one where a child has “disappeared” and somewhere under all the smokescreens lies the truth. Sadly there seems here to be an attempt to disperse the truth by many professional lies, which is extremely worrying for all our futures. Having said all that there are two other points. There are. Many good,honest professionals out there, but, it remains a fact that people within a profession, do close ranks in times of adversity:
sadie
17/10/2011 at 9:07 pm
I would like to correct date errors that I made in my post dated 30/09/2011 @12.00pm
ABDUCTION IN THE PDL AREA.
It should have read: Between Sept 2004 and May 2007 there were 3 stranger abductions of 8 year olds, and under, in the PdL area….. etc [Carolinas was definitely a stranger abduction and the overwhelming likelyhood is that the other two were too... all within 20 miles of each other..]
These are FACTS and all some of you guys seem to be concerned about is that YOU THINK that all the professionals and Brits told lies. Why is it that you have no interest, it appears, in all these abductions of young children. …. Why? Nobody has expressed sorrow about these missing children
Could I ask you to search your souls? Which is the more important? YOUR THOUGHTS that professionals are likely to lie or, that a string of children have disappeared close to each other and three of them in just over 2 and a half years. Your anxiety to involve Kate and Gerry seems to be overwhelming your reasonings and your ability to share the pain of others.
Think about it
Am still short of time in RL, but will be back …. promise!
Dolynda
06/04/2012 at 2:43 pm
Oh SHUT UP KATE. All you are interested in is the selling of your diatribe BEWK. Madeleine is nothing but a cash cow to save your own cowardly backsides. Crows flight Google earth. What NONSENSE you speak. May you. Both rot in hell
Dolynda
06/04/2012 at 2:48 pm
EXCUSES EXCUSES EXCUSES. Again where did the blood and cadaver come from ? You are such a prfessional with your silly chant of F***ing tosser. Ph how professional. You are a sick twisted woman. Now go and smash some beds up you professional person. You have serious issues Healy.
bengalpuss29
30/05/2012 at 6:36 pm
Couldn’t agree with you more Dolynda. Kate mccann is the most narcissitic person i’ve ever come across. Notice when her and gerry are doing an interview, he seems more petrified of whats going to come out of the stupid cows mouth. Its her clothes that have cadavour on them, her fingerprint the only fingerprint on the newly cleaned windows. She was the one that said, wait for it …….. She took cuddle cat to work in proximity of 6 corpse’s. And why would you wash the favourite toy of your missing daughter, that has her smell on that was the last thing that she had touched before she disappeared, giving the excuse it smelt of sun tan lotion. I wouldn’t have given a damn if it smelt of shite if that the the last thing my daughter touched, i would cherish it. Excuse the phrase about the shite lol. But you get my point. That book is all about her feelings, what mother would sit and not look for her own missing child, yet she says in a diary entry “No one looking why” Look your fucking self first.
softlinelibertarian
26/10/2011 at 3:53 pm
What I find really obnoxious is this quotation from when questioned by Ricardo Paiva,
“Under my breath, I found myself whispering ****ing to**er, ****ing to**er. This quiet chant somehow kept me strong, kept me in control”.
Now you can, in my book, either claim you are a quietly spoken, reasonable, gentle Christian professional, OR put something like this in a book, and without apology and shame.
I have never- in the many churches, hospitals and surgeries I have been in heard this level of aggressive and unseemly language spoken by professionals, even under strain.
And I have heard many chants and choruses sung by believing Christians to “keep them strong” against the odds, but this is emphatically not one of them!! They are much sweeter, & some, it has to be admitted, to the point of saccharine or candifloss!!
I think this website is excellent HLM. Incidentally my name is a good natured joke. I am libertarian, but not very, being largely anti legalising drugs, & very anti-guns, but like lots of what Ron Paul is about- justice, anti financial corruption, monopolies, global financial elites, policing other countries in a bloody, violent and pre-emptive way ,honest money, decent manners, no “special interest” groups. The joke is that the whole left-right thing doesn’t actually describe much, and we can appear opposite but believe in whole heaps in common!!!
Aqua Net
13/11/2011 at 7:11 am
The dogs in this case. Too bad there were not dogs brought into the Ramsey home back in 1996. The may have smelled something in the kitchen or any other room of the house, which could help crack that case.
Anonymous
20/11/2011 at 9:36 pm
When it was discovered that Madeleine was missing:
Where was Madeleine’s soft toy ?
Did Kate touch Madeleine’s soft toy before the cadaver dog marked it?
Did Kate touch Madeleine’s soft toy before the cadaver dog marked Kate’s clothes?
ie. was there potential for cross-contamination for the dogs to mark?
When Kate returned to the Tapas crowd without bringing the twins, did she lock up the apartment or leave it unlocked as before? -If left unlocked, does this suggest that She is guilty and didn’t think that there was an external threat to the twins?
Were the McCanns not kept under surveillance following the disappearance?
If the McCann’s were not responsible for the death of Madeleine, maybe it was a burglary gone wrong? May be Madeleine woke up and the burglar had to stop her from raising the alarm?
Alienus Venator
30/05/2012 at 3:27 pm
“If the McCann’s were not responsible for the death of Madeleine, maybe it was a burglary gone wrong? May be Madeleine woke up and the burglar had to stop her from raising the alarm”? If it’s a burglary gone wrong and she was killed in the app to keep her quiete, do you really think the burglar would then take the time to get her through the window and take her body to god knows where?. Really?.
Veronica
26/11/2011 at 5:05 pm
I think she died at the hands of her mother before the mother ever left the appartment for dinner that night. I think the mother either over medicated Madeleine or threw her in anger for keeping her from her dinner party.
Rae Merrill
30/12/2011 at 5:29 pm
Nobody other than the perpetrators know what happened to Madeleine. I agree the McCanns should not have left the children on their own, that was a mistake but given the other two children have been ok before and since the event, I have to think that they had nothing to do with it other than parental negligence for leaving their children unattended,
anonymous
15/01/2012 at 11:30 am
Most of the evidence and the excellent job done by the PJ were banned like Amaral’s book was banned. Kate’s diary revealed a lot. Frankly she was thinking of putting Maddie up for adoption because she couldn’t handle her anymore. Maybe this was a setup, who knows. If this was an accident in the flat, the body would be available for the coroner if the McCann’s were ethical people. An accident is nothing to be guilty about. Rather than get on his knees and kiss the policeman’s shoe, Gerry would have said, we didn’t touch anything, she is right where we found her. We don’t know what happened. We are quite sure it was an accident. We will cooperate with the Portugese authorities 100%. But they didn’t, did they? And this “professional people don’t lie” is a pipedream. Ever hear of the “Mason’s?”. They do not rat on each other no matter what. When one wants to create confusion, they make sure many stories are told that conflict with each other and keep the newspapers on their toes. There is only ONE story – the truth. By the way, the waiters at the Tapas said that no one got up that night – only one person and it wasn’t anyone mentioned. They never checked on their kids that night. They laughed and joked and ate and drank while their kid was rotting either behind the couch or someplace else. I doubt behind the couch since the odor would have attracted attention. Probably their friends provided a freezer to put her in. Horrible scenerio, but it makes more sense than the baloney spread by the McCann Army.
Alienus Venator
30/05/2012 at 3:32 pm
If you read the book wrote by Amaral you’ll see he said the cadaver dog showed Maddie’s body had been in Gerry and Kates walldrobe in their bedroom.
The Truth
29/01/2012 at 8:37 am
1) Madeleine is dead.
2) There was no accident.
3) Madeleine died before May 3.
4) All of the T9 are liars.
5) There WAS a T10.
6) Gerry and Kates marriage was dead before 2007. They are living a sham.
7) Madeleines corpse was taken from the room, and the production began when Kate called from the room that they had ‘taken’ her.
8) Madeleine had been a victim of abuse before the trip to PDL.
9) Gerry isn’t Madeleines biological father.
10) Freemasonry isn’t the reason the McCanns are untouchable.
You are welcome.
Anonymous
29/02/2012 at 7:16 pm
i think The Truth sums it up in a nutshell
guest
04/04/2012 at 4:17 pm
I don’t understand, why they never have been sued for child neglect. If it happened where I lived, they would have been. It is intolerable leaving your kids alone. It is against law. And if it wasn’t still I don’t understand how you can dine out and leave your toddlers alone. Even more when the child asked, why nobody was there to comfort them the night before when they where crying. Still they say it was a decision within responsible bounds…? Leaves me open mouthed.
Hardlinemarxist
04/04/2012 at 8:38 pm
Actually, in the UK, it is not against the law to leave children alone, no legislation exists covering this matter.
guest
05/04/2012 at 8:59 am
Ouch, here in Austria they would have been in great trouble. Well actually they are. I am glad to have found a blog expressing my feelings, feelings I had all the time. My heart goes out to Madeleine, a human being who trusted her parents to be cared for and was bitterly misled. Whatever happened or not happened, I still feel they let her down.
Hardlinemarxist
05/04/2012 at 11:49 am
Indeed they did. Tony Bennett pursued the neglect aspect in the UK when the case first broke, jurisdiction barriers was the cited reason for non-action. Make no mistake though, had the McCanns been deemed of low socioeconomic status the outcome on the neglect aspect may well have been very different….lucky Drs McCann! Oh I do love the UK.
guest
05/04/2012 at 9:03 am
and to anonymous, I never thought of it, but obviously yes, I would have taken both of my kids, but as I said before (sorry for repeating it) who leaves such little kids alone in the first place????
guest
05/04/2012 at 12:31 pm
Yes, seems to me, but thats not different here. Always depending on the status of a person. Makes me remember the Jeffrey MacDonalds case. Might be interesting for you. By the way, sorry for any mistakes or strange sounding phrase constructions, english ist not my mother tongue..;)
Hardlinemarxist
05/04/2012 at 2:24 pm
I’ve not heard of the Jeffrey MacDonald case, I shall take a look. No need to apologise for not having English as your first language, you articulate perfectly well.
guest
05/04/2012 at 7:18 pm
Thanks, well have a look Jeffrey MacDonalds was a Green Beret claiming his family has been murdered by a group like the Mansons. His father in law was his greatest supporter when the military police charged him with homicide. Til he received all documents the Mps had collected. He started filing them and looking at them and then found out, that he believes firmly, that Macdonalds killed his entire family. He denies it til today remaining in prison. There are several very interesting books and you find a lot on the internet, have a great evening!
Hardlinemarxist
05/04/2012 at 8:25 pm
Thank you, and you have a great evening too.
bengalpuss29
08/04/2012 at 7:47 pm
That child died in that apartment and the majority of people agree.Were all made to feel sorry for the mccann’s but they left their children alone and these children were still tiny. The only one i feel sorry for is madeleine plain and simple. If anyone else would have behaved the way the mccann’s had they would have had their remaining children removed from their care, well not care because they didn.t care for them otherwise i wouldn’t be leaving this comment, the very least the mccann’s should have been prosecuted for neglect. I don.t know if they caused her death or while they were out neglecting their children something happened like a fall but whichever way you look at it they are to blame. And in also sick of seeing that kate’s miserable face it makes me want to punch my computer everytime it pops up she always looks like she’s sucked a lemon.
kb
03/05/2012 at 1:06 pm
I believe Kate McCann couldn’t cope and dosed up Maddie from a prescription drug she made out to one of her pacients but used herself, she accidently overdosed Maddie, and in panic [because her and husband would be ‘struck off’ concealed Maddie’s body and faked a kidnapping, loyal friends also helping in the cover-up, I’d put money on it, that Maddie’s body is found in the area of the Religous Site the McCann’s visited after the alleged kidnapping.
Hardlinemarxist
03/05/2012 at 1:28 pm
I’ve slightly edited your post to reflect that this is your theory, rather than it being a factual account
edana
05/05/2012 at 8:58 am
Do the voters realise that they can vote as many times as they like at the top of the page?
So we can take the votes as being completely meaningless.
Hardlinemarxist
05/05/2012 at 12:46 pm
The poll is set to IP voting, only one vote per IP. So, no, the votes are not completely meaningless.
Anonymous
09/05/2012 at 10:58 am
This site is a joke, theres a poor little girl thats missing. No one knows what happened to her except the person that took her!
Speculation and theories will only lead to hurt for the family and friends of the little girl. Yes people get fed up with Maddie being in constant focus in the press but at the end of the day there is a family that want answers and a press that is willing to report because we still read. I have two girls and If I was Kate and Gerry I would make damn sure I took full advantage of that also to get the answers I needed to find.
I hope they find their answers good or bad and that they can find some peace.
Hardlinemarxist
09/05/2012 at 1:15 pm
I’m sure Drs McCann have indulged in speculating and theorising on other crimes. In fact, they continue to speculate and theorise on their daughter’s disappearance: Lone paedophile, international paedophile rings, gypsies, childless couples to name but a few. Kate McCann and her pal Jane Tanner have even gone so far as identifying a subject – Robert Murat. Little concern is given to the upset caused by this accusation!
“No one knows what happened to her except the person that took her!” You base this argument on the McCanns theory: abduction. The child may have wandered off, looking for her parents in their absence. In fact, I would go so far as to state that you speculate and theorise on some of the alleged sightings of McCann. Again, little consideration spared for all the upset caused to innocent families considered suspect by well intentioned or otherwise citizens. Indeed, someone (or some persons) knows what happened to the child, that person(s) well maybe Drs McCann; there is no evidence of abduction. Thus, until the truth is known, people will continue to speculate and theorise.
Anonymous
09/05/2012 at 4:00 pm
Everybody has lied.
So many kids are abducted and abused and disposed of. Who is to say maddy didn’t end up within the realms of an organized ring.
Hardlinemarxist
13/05/2012 at 1:44 am
There is nothing to say that Madeleine did not “end up in the realms of an organized ring”, what happened to the child remains a mystery.
Concerned
14/05/2012 at 10:05 am
I can’t understand how the government,, can use 2.5 million pound of our money to help mc canns yes it’s desperately sad madeline is still out there somewhere,, what monies have the mc canns or their families used instead of donations from their friends in high places,,, I’m sick for that little girl,, and can’t understand why the government or police are not questioning the lies told by mc canns regarding locked doors,, changing statements,, why are we not going over this and asking questions why they lied,,,you don’t lie if you telling the truth,, would dearly love to here madeline alive and well somewhere,, it would be so easy to just give her a note if left in a safe space explaining who she is,, as she will not remember being 3 years old,, left alone,, she has new life and identity,,,
bengalpuss29
20/05/2012 at 9:41 pm
I think they overdosed madeleine. The night before, pamela fen the woman who lived upstairs said she heard “Madeleine crying for 90 minutes and saying daddy” Now its not so impossible to think that she and the twins were given a sedative to prevent them from waking up and crying.Like they did the night before Remember the twins never woke while all the commotion of the search was going on, it all points to that. Its was Kates Clothes that smelt of Cadavour And cuddle cat, that tells me that “Madeleine died in her sleep holding cuddle cat. Kate came back found madeleine dead and touched her explaining the smell on her clothes of cadavour. Realizing that if found out, their jobs will be lost, so they make a plan. Thats my theory. And i believe kate is to blame after all she was an anesthetist, she should have never drugged a child and left them all Unsupervised. They should have never drugged a child in the first place or left a child.